My BlackBerry.

2. Song you want to hear on your deathbed?

“Let It Be.”

3. Five minutes of perfect happiness?

“Cool-down after a good, hard run on the treadmill,” Ursula says.

“Do you want to think about that answer a little longer?” Leland says. “Maybe mention your husband or your daughter?”

“Oh,” Ursula says.

Sixty-degree day, blue sky, fifty-yard-line seats, cashmere sweater and jeans, sitting between my husband and daughter, Notre Dame versus Boston College.

4. Moment you’d like to do over?

Accepting money from the NRA.

Brave answer, Leland thinks. This interview is looking up.

5. Bad habit?

Correcting people’s grammar.

6. Last supper?

“I don’t understand the question,” Ursula says.

“What would you like your final meal to be?” Leland says.

“You mean before I die?”

“Yes.”

“People are interested in this?”

“Very. It’s a little more in depth than just asking your favorite food. You get to pick a meal.”

“Oh,” Ursula says. “Cereal, I guess.”

“Cereal?”

Rice Krispies with sliced banana and skim milk.

7. Most controversial opinion?

“Men are not the enemy,” Ursula says. “I realize that’s going to be very controversial for your readership. But what I’ve found in Congress and in my professional life in general is that men want women to succeed. It’s the women who are cloak-and-dagger.”

“Hmmmm,” Leland says. She’s not overjoyed with this answer. The whole basis of Leland’s Letter is that women can learn and grow from the experiences of other women.

“I hope that changes by the time my daughter, Bess, is grown,” Ursula says. “When my mother was young, she was focused on helping my father succeed. That was her job. And then in my generation, our generation, women became focused on their own success. The logical next step is that women will become not only supportive of one another but vested in one another’s success.” She pauses. “But we aren’t there yet.”

Women have to support each other, be vested in one another’s success. Men are not the enemy.

8. In a box of crayons, what color are you?

“Black,” Ursula says.

“Black?”

“My father used to say I was as serious as a heart attack,” Ursula says. “Plus, you outline everything in black. It’s a hardworking color.”

“Right, but—”

“I’m not going to say yellow or pink or purple. My answer is black.”

Black.

9. Proudest achievement?

“Being elected to the United States Senate is probably too obvious,” Ursula says. “I would bring up the welfare-reform bill, but that would put everyone to sleep.” Ursula pauses. “I guess I’ll say my marriage.”

Leland jumps like she’s been poked in the ribs. “Your marriage?”

“Yes. I’ve been married for sixteen years, but Jake and I have been together for over thirty years. Honestly, I don’t know why he stays with me.”

Leland waits a beat. Move on to the next question! she tells herself. But does she? No. “You’re an intelligent, accomplished woman.”

“I’m a witch at home. I’m demanding and ungrateful and I have to schedule in family time, though that’s the first thing I cancel when things get busy. I’m aware that if I don’t start having some fun with my daughter, she’ll grow up either hating me or being just like me or both. And yet I have this idea that if I stop working, even for an hour, the country will fall apart. People throw around the word workaholic like it’s no big deal, like it’s maybe even a good thing. But I suffer from the disease. I’m a workaholic. I’m addicted to work. So, yeah, I’m not sure why Jake stays, but I’m grateful.”

My sixteen-year marriage to Jake McCloud.

10. Celebrity crush?

Ted Koppel.

11. Favorite spot in America?

“I should probably pick someplace in the state of Indiana,” Ursula says. “But I already mentioned Notre Dame stadium, and where else is there? Fishers? Carmel?”

“Are those places that inspire you?” Leland asks.

“I wish I could pick someplace magical, like Nantucket,” Ursula says, and Leland flinches again. “Jake loves Nantucket, but I’ve never been. He goes every year for a guys’ trip. I keep telling him I’m going to crash one of these years.”

Oh God, oh God, Leland thinks. Please stop talking about Nantucket.

“I love Newport, Rhode Island,” Ursula says. “But as bizarre as this sounds, I think I’m going to say Las Vegas is my favorite spot. I worked on a case there when I first went into private practice…” Ursula breaks off and Leland assumes she’s just gotten a text or another call but then she realizes, from her wavering tone, that Ursula is overcome. “Those were happy days. Vegas is…crazytown, right? But it’s unapologetically itself, and I appreciated that. I loved it there, for whatever reason.”

Las Vegas.

12. Title of your autobiography?

“Straight up the Fairway,” Ursula says. “That’s in regard to my politics. I’m centrist. People might not agree with all of my stances, but they won’t disagree with all of them either. I believe in common sense and hard work and American capitalism and the Constitution and the equality under the law of every single American.”

“Okay.” Leland is very liberal, just shy of socialist. She doesn’t want to get into a political debate here; however, she thinks that “straight up the fairway” is a compromise and a cop-out. She had wanted Ursula de Gournsey to come across as some kind of Superwoman. But maybe the takeaway for the readers of Leland’s Letter will be this: A woman with real power in Washington is just as self-critical and beleaguered as the rest of us.

Leland also finds herself hobbled by her secret knowledge. Does Ursula de Gournsey have it all? Anyone who reads the Dirty Dozen will see the answer is no. But only Leland knows that Ursula de Gournsey has even less than she realizes.

Straight Up the Fairway.

The Dirty Dozen with Ursula de Gournsey goes live on January 20 in advance of the State of the Union, and Leland waits for Mallory to call in a rage. Mallory didn’t explicitly ask Leland not to do an interview with Ursula, but her “So, please…” had seemed to indicate that she wanted Leland to exercise some kind of restraint. Which she had, because this isn’t an in-depth profile.

No angry call comes. Instead, Leland receives texts and e-mails and Facebook messages and hits on Twitter and Instagram that say: Loved the piece with UDG! LL is taking it up a notch!!

It takes a few days but eventually, the Dirty Dozen with Ursula de Gournsey goes viral. The answer everyone is talking about is “Men are not the enemy.” That line is the subject of an op-ed in the New York Times written by the male governor of Nevada, who agrees that men are not the enemy and that men should not be receiving so much blame for social injustice. (The governor is also thrilled with Ursula’s answer of “Las Vegas” as her favorite spot in the country.)